Paddles versus A/t

hkunz · 02-08-2010, 10:46 AM

I noticed that my paddles are 20", while my A/Ts are 22". This seems to give the paddle-equipped quad a better holeshot. Is there a reason for the size difference, besides the fact that i got them used?

**GarDog** · 02-08-2010, 11:30 AM

I'm not sure what you're asking...
In general, tires are available in a wide range of sizes...
Quad manufacturers install whichever tire they feel gives the best overall performance in a wide range of applications for which they have targeted the particular quad to meet.
Tire manufacturers produce tires they feel will sell best based upon market research of how specific vehicles are used.
Paddle tires are designed for sand, a very popular offroading market...
therfore I'm sure many sizes are available in many different heights...20" being yours.
widths...8.5...9.75...10...or 11" for example..
and rim size...stock being 10" ....
the reason you feel a better hole shot is had with the 20" padles may not have anything to do with tire size...
it may be due to the tread design...again paddles are specifically designed for sand...
A/T tires are an All Terrain tire for general use...
Depending on what you're doing you either have to try many different combinations to find the optimum performance...
or use what the manufacturer sugests and live with mediocrity...
I hope this helps you some...

**Kenny4** · 02-08-2010, 05:01 PM

Gardog---Pretty technical guy

The 20" paddles will prove to be too small for the heavy V and will dig you in too much in the sand---The A/T tires are for hard pack and 22" is good---In the sand they dig in and get stuck---I bing mine to the dunes with me and put them on to play with---You can slide and drift forever with them---But if I'm going to follow someone out to the dunes I put the paddles back on.

Kenny

hkunz · 02-08-2010, 05:02 PM

LOL, I was running it on my lawn checking it out for this weekend. When I gassed it, neither quad spun. I just figured that the shorter tire would provide a different effective gear ratio, making it quicker, but not as fast, similar to running 4.11:1 gears rather than 3.50:1 gears in a car.

I figured out that I'm not getting optimum performance - the Kaws are for the kids to ride while I ride my Raptor. What I don't know is if the Raptor or the Kaw will be the faster/quicker ride. Mostly, I want the bikes to be reliable and safe.

Oh, the baby weighs 250 or so, so it isn't like I'm trying to kill her with all these mods....

**GarDog** · 02-08-2010, 05:30 PM

Uh Oh...He said Craptor...oops I meant raptor....

**T_Dilley** · 02-08-2010, 05:31 PM

If neither of your 700's will spin the tires, you have some problems.

**Toyotadude** · 02-08-2010, 06:35 PM

You're right Kenny, 20" paddles do dig too much for the V. I realized this on mine when I ran them (got them from the guy I bought the bike from). Now I run 24's.and they work great.

**T_Dilley** · 02-08-2010, 06:40 PM

I run 20's in the mud drags. Mainly to keep my wheel speed up. They work well. But in sand they would probably be garbage.

hkunz · 02-09-2010, 12:11 PM

Mine isn't that muddy LOL, but the tires are similar. The paddles came with the bike from back east, Arkansas or Oklahoma someplace, which may be why they are small. I got some 21's today for the other bike, we'll see how it works out. In the sand, the choice will be paddles that might not be the right size, or worn-out A/Ts. I'm thinking the kids will have more fun with the paddles.

The Speed Force · 02-09-2010, 12:16 PM

T Dilley, you hate those air box cover tabs too huh..?

02-08-2010, 10:46 AM	#1
hkunz Member Feedback Score: 1 reviews Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bakersfield, Havasu Posts: 47 (1)	Paddles versus A/t I noticed that my paddles are 20", while my A/Ts are 22". This seems to give the paddle-equipped quad a better holeshot. Is there a reason for the size difference, besides the fact that i got them used? __________________ 2004 KFX 700, Quadzilla (green), Muzzy pipe, Twin-Air filter, 42.5 pilots, 155f, 160r jets, screws out 2.5 turns, 6* key, White bros CDI, 2 washers on needles, polished slides. Carbon fiber snorkel/scoop. 2004 KFX 700, Pumpkin (orange), FMF pipe, repacked FMF Titanium 4 muffler with "quiet" insert, K&N/Outerwears filter, 40 pilots, 145 f, 150 r jets, screws out 1.75 turns, washer on needles, polished slides. Both airboxes modified by cutting out the "wall".

02-08-2010, 11:30 AM	#2
GarDog Premium Member Feedback Score: 0 reviews Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: E.H.T.N.J. Posts: 644 (0)	I'm not sure what you're asking... In general, tires are available in a wide range of sizes... Quad manufacturers install whichever tire they feel gives the best overall performance in a wide range of applications for which they have targeted the particular quad to meet. Tire manufacturers produce tires they feel will sell best based upon market research of how specific vehicles are used. Paddle tires are designed for sand, a very popular offroading market... therfore I'm sure many sizes are available in many different heights...20" being yours. widths...8.5...9.75...10...or 11" for example.. and rim size...stock being 10" .... the reason you feel a better hole shot is had with the 20" padles may not have anything to do with tire size... it may be due to the tread design...again paddles are specifically designed for sand... A/T tires are an All Terrain tire for general use... Depending on what you're doing you either have to try many different combinations to find the optimum performance... or use what the manufacturer sugests and live with mediocrity... I hope this helps you some... __________________ Green 04 KFX700...Bone stock except for HMF Duals, Mechanical Oil Pressure Gauge, and Uni-Filter

02-08-2010, 05:01 PM	#3
Kenny4 Premium Member Feedback Score: 0 reviews Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern, California Posts: 1,116 (9)	Gardog---Pretty technical guy The 20" paddles will prove to be too small for the heavy V and will dig you in too much in the sand---The A/T tires are for hard pack and 22" is good---In the sand they dig in and get stuck---I bing mine to the dunes with me and put them on to play with---You can slide and drift forever with them---But if I'm going to follow someone out to the dunes I put the paddles back on. Kenny __________________ "As For Me And My House We Shall Serve The Lord" 2007 KFX 700 V Force------"DIY MODS"-----Pink Spring---Yoshimura Duals---12 Hole Mod---Twin Air Power Kit---1 Shim & Cut Springs---Polished Slides--- 3.0 turns out---#40 Pilots---182F/185R---Spark Plug Boot Mod-----------"OTHER STUFF"---Odi grips---Full Under Armor---Billet Stator Cover---HID Lights---Trail Tech Vapor---Pro Armor Front Bumper---Rear 6 Pack Rack---Nerfs--22x11x10 Haulers 10 Paddle---22x11x10 Edges 9 Paddle---Quick Release Lighted Whip---IMS 4.6 Gas Tank 2005 Honda Rancher 350ES The Avatar picture is my custom home for sale in Yucca Valley, So. Calif.

02-08-2010, 05:02 PM	#4
hkunz Member Feedback Score: 1 reviews Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bakersfield, Havasu Posts: 47 (1)	LOL, I was running it on my lawn checking it out for this weekend. When I gassed it, neither quad spun. I just figured that the shorter tire would provide a different effective gear ratio, making it quicker, but not as fast, similar to running 4.11:1 gears rather than 3.50:1 gears in a car. I figured out that I'm not getting optimum performance - the Kaws are for the kids to ride while I ride my Raptor. What I don't know is if the Raptor or the Kaw will be the faster/quicker ride. Mostly, I want the bikes to be reliable and safe. Oh, the baby weighs 250 or so, so it isn't like I'm trying to kill her with all these mods.... __________________ 2004 KFX 700, Quadzilla (green), Muzzy pipe, Twin-Air filter, 42.5 pilots, 155f, 160r jets, screws out 2.5 turns, 6* key, White bros CDI, 2 washers on needles, polished slides. Carbon fiber snorkel/scoop. 2004 KFX 700, Pumpkin (orange), FMF pipe, repacked FMF Titanium 4 muffler with "quiet" insert, K&N/Outerwears filter, 40 pilots, 145 f, 150 r jets, screws out 1.75 turns, washer on needles, polished slides. Both airboxes modified by cutting out the "wall".

02-08-2010, 05:30 PM	#5
GarDog Premium Member Feedback Score: 0 reviews Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: E.H.T.N.J. Posts: 644 (0)	Uh Oh...He said Craptor...oops I meant raptor.... __________________ Green 04 KFX700...Bone stock except for HMF Duals, Mechanical Oil Pressure Gauge, and Uni-Filter

02-08-2010, 05:31 PM	#6
T_Dilley Premium Member Feedback Score: 6 reviews Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pana, IL Posts: 2,243 (3)	If neither of your 700's will spin the tires, you have some problems. __________________ 2004 KFX715 'The Blue Bullet' 2004 KFX700 Pro Circuit Duals, VFJ Stage III, K&N, Scorchers Want to Buy Blue Marble Front Plastic In ANY CONDITION

02-08-2010, 06:35 PM	#7
Toyotadude Premium Member Feedback Score: 1 reviews Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 203 (0)	You're right Kenny, 20" paddles do dig too much for the V. I realized this on mine when I ran them (got them from the guy I bought the bike from). Now I run 24's.and they work great. __________________ 04 KFX700, HMF Duals, Dynatek CDI, #42 pilots, American Star Racing 2" extended A-arms, G-Force Honda 400EX extended rear hubs, 22-7-10 Sand Stars in front, 24-11-10 8 paddle Extremes in Rear, K&N air filter, AC Nerfs & Six pack rack 86 Toyota 4X4, 4.3L Chevy V-6, 700R-4 trans, Marlin Crawler dual transfer case, limited-slip front diff, ARB rear diff, custom flatbed w/aluminum diamond plate insert, Super Swampers for trails & Desert Trac paddles for sand

02-08-2010, 06:40 PM	#8
T_Dilley Premium Member Feedback Score: 6 reviews Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pana, IL Posts: 2,243 (3)	I run 20's in the mud drags. Mainly to keep my wheel speed up. They work well. But in sand they would probably be garbage. __________________ 2004 KFX715 'The Blue Bullet' 2004 KFX700 Pro Circuit Duals, VFJ Stage III, K&N, Scorchers Want to Buy Blue Marble Front Plastic In ANY CONDITION

02-09-2010, 12:11 PM	#9
hkunz Member Feedback Score: 1 reviews Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bakersfield, Havasu Posts: 47 (1)	Mine isn't that muddy LOL, but the tires are similar. The paddles came with the bike from back east, Arkansas or Oklahoma someplace, which may be why they are small. I got some 21's today for the other bike, we'll see how it works out. In the sand, the choice will be paddles that might not be the right size, or worn-out A/Ts. I'm thinking the kids will have more fun with the paddles. __________________ 2004 KFX 700, Quadzilla (green), Muzzy pipe, Twin-Air filter, 42.5 pilots, 155f, 160r jets, screws out 2.5 turns, 6* key, White bros CDI, 2 washers on needles, polished slides. Carbon fiber snorkel/scoop. 2004 KFX 700, Pumpkin (orange), FMF pipe, repacked FMF Titanium 4 muffler with "quiet" insert, K&N/Outerwears filter, 40 pilots, 145 f, 150 r jets, screws out 1.75 turns, washer on needles, polished slides. Both airboxes modified by cutting out the "wall".

02-09-2010, 12:16 PM	#10
The Speed Force Senior Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NorthEast, TX Posts: 2,512 (2)	T Dilley, you hate those air box cover tabs too huh..? __________________ The Speed Force KFX800™ FST800, Stage 3's, Muzzy Pro, VFJ Stage 3, EPI Maroon, Motosport Alloy Wheels, Duro Scorchers, Powdercoated Everything. Proud winner of August '09 KOTM and lucky winner of December '09 KOTM.

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