[BIG BRUTE FORCE 650 4X4]

If ya wanted you i think someone mounted a extra battery in a ammo can for all that stuff but i think you would be fine. With a VFJ set up i think youll hang with easily if not beat most other high performance models.

 

[GitRDone700]

yea buddie

I go and ride at big atv parks and drag race alot. From what ive found brutes are faster. Stock new vs stock new i drag raced a new 800 popo. I smoked him off the line omce the stocks grabbed traction(on pavement) amd he said go. O beat him by half a link. Them my brute with current mods has contended with a new 850 scrambler 2 weekends ago. It was a long drag in a grass field and someone at the other end spunded the horn to take off. I SMOKED him off the line and had him at till 40 then he shot past. But off the line i killed him. I need a stiffer primary for the heavy laws also. Polaris engines just dont have the torque of a vtwin. A brute with smaller tires, good tuning, coulda prolly beat it. If kawie came out with a 850 it would dominate the market again.

Hate to sound like a jerk,but i would have to have seen it to believe that your 650 with an HMF slip on and Cynatek cdi outran any of those bikes.When i had just an exhaust and air filter on my brute with 12" wheels and 26" mudlites a stock 850 would pull me out of the hole and eat my brute on top end.This just seems way to over exxagerated for me to believe.

X2 im not seeing it happen. Btw anything after a 600 in Polaris is a v twin and I don't see your brute cranking out 77hp with just your mods

 

[as140672]

I go and ride at big atv parks and drag race alot. From what ive found brutes are faster. Stock new vs stock new i drag raced a new 800 popo. I smoked him off the line omce the stocks grabbed traction(on pavement) amd he said go. O beat him by half a link. Them my brute with current mods has contended with a new 850 scrambler 2 weekends ago. It was a long drag in a grass field and someone at the other end spunded the horn to take off. I SMOKED him off the line and had him at till 40 then he shot past. But off the line i killed him. I need a stiffer primary for the heavy laws also. Polaris engines just dont have the torque of a vtwin. A brute with smaller tires, good tuning, coulda prolly beat it. If kawie came out with a 850 it would dominate the market again.

Hate to sound like a jerk,but i would have to have seen it to believe that your 650 with an HMF slip on and Cynatek cdi outran any of those bikes.When i had just an exhaust and air filter on my brute with 12" wheels and 26" mudlites a stock 850 would pull me out of the hole and eat my brute on top end.This just seems way to over exxagerated for me to believe.

X2 im not seeing it happen. Btw anything after a 600 in Polaris is a v twin and I don't see your brute cranking out 77hp with just your mods

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never been a Vtwin popo, inline and parallel twins, inlines are 270s and parallel are 360s fire at same time.

 

[kickstart]

X2 im not seeing it happen. Btw anything after a 600 in Polaris is a v twin and I don't see your brute cranking out 77hp with just your mods

Nope. Only the biggest engine in both the Po and AC lineup are twin cylinders, but the PO is NOT a V-TWIN! Fyi, Kawie and Can AM make more models with v-twins than all the other brands combined.

 

[kickstart]

Honestly, I couldn't care less about drag racing a utility quad. The only race that matters in a sport ute class is over-the-course GNCC stuff, and Kawies and Can Ams dominate that stuff. 'Nuff said.

If straight line drag races matter to you, you're not going to do it with a stock machine anyhow. And most folks realize that full sport bikes are going to beat you no matter how much money you throw at a sport ute. So what's the point?

A sport ute is made for hauling loads and trail riding in places you can't take your truck or your sport 2x4. For that, it's all about how well things work together as a package. Like what you get is greater than the sum of the parts type of thing. Many folks will disagree on which machine does that better and that is fine. But before I go plop down ten grand on a new machine, you can bet I'm going to ask some mechanics what they've seen and totally walk around the sales pitch man.

 

[as140672]

Honestly, I couldn't care less about drag racing a utility quad. The only race that matters in a sport ute class is over-the-course GNCC stuff, and Kawies and Can Ams dominate that stuff. 'Nuff said.

If straight line drag races matter to you, you're not going to do it with a stock machine anyhow. And most folks realize that full sport bikes are going to beat you no matter how much money you throw at a sport ute. So what's the point?

A sport ute is made for hauling loads and trail riding in places you can't take your truck or your sport 2x4. For that, it's all about how well things work together as a package. Like what you get is greater than the sum of the parts type of thing. Many folks will disagree on which machine does that better and that is fine. But before I go plop down ten grand on a new machine, you can bet I'm going to ask some mechanics what they've seen and totally walk around the sales pitch man.

its not really drag racing much, the brute cought my eye becuase of hearing about the crazy bottom end power it has, I like having wheelie pulling low end but I still want to be able to run 70 miles an hour and not have the bike feel like its going to blow up XD There is lots of logging roads I run (when heading to mounts from my house) and theres a 6 mile stright and its about 40 foot wide road and yes we run fast but thats only 3 to 4 times a year. I put on about 2000 to 2500 miles a year most trail and logging roads about 15 to 50

about 20 % of my riding like this how dues the brute hold up to riding like this ?

 

[Iroc_92]

My 12 750 holds up to that type of riding very well. My 550 sportsman, and my bros 850 did as well. I traded up to the brute last july. I dont miss the popo at all. Biggest gripe I have is the popo handled the logging roads better when both machines were on stock tires. My bro likes riding his 850 when it isn't in need of repair. And he flat out leaves me power wise after 30 mph or so.

In all honesty get seat time on the brute if its possible. Completely different machines.

 

[gtsum2]

Need to ride them all and see what you like, but the Brute has a lot more pop off the line than the 850. it feels stronger and more willing to run..up til about 30-40...the xp will go right by after that though. The xp makes a lot more mid and top end power than the brute. The brute is much, much lighter and as such, feels much lighter on the trails. You can throw it around like a dirt bike and it likes to be ridden like that. The xp is like a cruiser...just hit the gas and go..run over most everything in your path...the brute takes more effort to go fast on as the stock ride is not nearly as good (stock tires and shocks on the brute suck..period).

You will need new tires asap on the brute if you ride aggressive at all. They fold under and are immediately overwhelmed by the power of the brute. The Brute is...well, a Brute..it is not as refined as the xp..it is louder, a bit cruder, rides rougher....but it is a lot more playful. They are just totally different machines...which is why u should check em both out and see what you like.

 

[covingtonbottoms]

Another reason I chose the brute is for the amount of mods and tunes you can throw at these thing. I could be wrong but no other branc that I know of can be woken up like a brute. I love tinkering with my Atv on weekends and buyin mods.

 

[Bruterider84]

There are so many variables drag racing that people don't mention. The gentlemen with the 650 piped and tuner could have launched in 4x4 vs the popo 2x4. I've done that bs others that refused to launch 4x4 and killed them. I usually won't disclaim things until that person continues to say obvious incorrect things, as I was not there to see all the variables of the race. If your any kind of rider you adapt to your machine and certain "issues" no longer are issues. I've owned Polaris, yamaha, Honda, and now Kawasaki so I can speak on all of them. The brute diff lock system works just fine, in real world riding I've had no issues using vs the electric lock from my yamaha. The delayed servo couple vs immediate lock from yamaha is a minor draw, I've grown used to swapping to 4x4 quickly before I need it. Polaris system worked fine for me also, Honda just sucks in that area . And yes all tie debate , there is no replacement for displacement in the final result unless there is crazy differences in tuning. It should be expected with a 100cc disadvantage what's going to happen. I would assume with dual muzzies and digi and my lightweight I could hold an 850 off til around 50mph. Real world trail riding the brute powerband will likely feel faster. All in all they are both outstanding machines! Kawi simply needs to ditch any agreements with other japs and jump full ahead in the fight with an 850-1000brute, midrange problem fixed lol

 

[kickstart]

Real world trail riding the brute powerband will likely feel faster.

One thing I've noticed about the Po powerband down low is how much throttle they take just to get moving. I do a lot of slick rock trails (moab and such) and there are lots of times there where the lag in throttle from a dead stop causes the rider to over-shoot the obstacle, or hit it and then let off throttle because they think they're going to over-shoot causing them to roll back down. Both scenarios can get dangerous.

You'll never have that problem with a Brute because the throttle is instantaneous and the torque is up the wall right from the start.

 

[BIG BRUTE FORCE 650 4X4]

Yall can believe it or not because i did. I was in 2wd off the line like him. At about 49 he went past me. And wow i never knew the only twin popo was the 850. What size bbk do yall think it would take to beat everything? And the most reliable one?

 

[Bruterider84]

I wasn't disputing you, more agreeing than not lol. Yea I was laughing when I read that comment about the 800 not being a twin lol. It became a para twin with the 600. Oh and btw your not far from me. About 25miles south of pine bluff here.

 

[kickstart]

X2 im not seeing it happen. Btw anything after a 600 in Polaris is a v twin and I don't see your brute cranking out 77hp with just your mods

Nope. Only the biggest engine in both the Po and AC lineup are twin cylinders, but the PO is NOT a V-TWIN! Fyi, Kawie and Can AM make more models with v-twins than all the other brands combined.

I goofed. Forgot the 800 Po was a twin. Got it confused with the AC line. But it is not a V-twin. I don't think Polaris has ever made a v-twin but I don't pay attention to the SxS machines........

AC has a current V-twin and for a spell used the Kawasaki Vtwin 650.

 

[Dreded]

I always find it funny people comparing off the line and top speed performance of Utility quads... its just not an important factor, my stock Blaster 250 Sport Quad smokes my modded prairie 650 and im sure would smoke a polaris 850

the fact is that a Brute force/prairie is the lightest big bore out there.. lightness means more nimble in the trail, better flotation in mud/snow and better sport handling for when you want to mess around... honestly the prairie 650 I have with aftermarket elko shocks can easily land from 5' high when doing a jump, its balance is unreal my sport quads are not so well balanced but do I make a habit of jumping it? NO its a utility quad!

 

[LimeBrute750]

I just dont want the guy thinking hes going to buy a brute and go out and smoke a Can-Am 1000 or a Polaris 850xp.Especially a 650 with a slip on and a cdi box in 2wd!

 

[BIG BRUTE FORCE 650 4X4]

Yall can believe it or not but i have. I actually drag race just to see what my brute can do. You dont buy a brute to just use for utility use they are too much fun for that.

 

[LimeBrute750]

I have drag raced at multiple atv events with a pro tree and timers,and i haven't beat a single 1000 Can-Am.And i raced an 850xp before my cdi box and vfj clutch and lost.

 

[Steve8511]

It bothers me probably like most here that PoPo's and CanAm's are beating our machines....

What enigne kit/pistons etc will always give you a win against them? Will a standard bore kit do it or do we have to goto 800 or 840?

 

[MinnKawi]

I'm bothered by the fact Kawi wont step up and increase the size of their engine after what, 7 years???